cmc hydraulic jackplate

[briannelson2003]

got a chance to buy a cmc 6" hydro jack plate for $95.00. the motor on it does not work and the dealer does not know the problem but says it can be used as a manual plate also. i was thinking of taking the motor off of it and use it manually and eventually maybe look into getting the motor on it fixed. even if i cant get the motor too work the plate itself will cost me half of the price of a new one. any thoughts?

 

[Enticer1]

Fix it Bro

Brian, see what it might cost to fix it befor you buy it. You will love being able to adjust your mota height on the fly.

 

[ckmate225]

Do you have any electric motor service places around? They may be able to help you out. I would think if you can get a whole hydraulic jp and controlls for 95 bucks I would imagine you could sell it for at least what you bought it for.
Is it all there?It may be worth the gamble. It may be just a bad set of brushes. will the dealer let you do any testing to it before you buy it? also, an ohm meter may tell you a lot without having to run voltage though it if you can get the specs.

 

[briannelson2003]

thanks for the replies. the dealer who has it led me to believe that it was taken off and replaced without trying to troubleshoot it. it seems to have alot of wiring with it so i would guess it is all there. would love to get it working again but if not can the motor come off of it and be used as a manual plate? he claimed it could be done this way. this is new territory for me. my father and one of my friends has mass electrical knowledge so if it is fixable i know one of them can do it. but like i said if i can use it manually and remove motor if it is shot i still saved versus buying a new one.

 

[mkhammer]

I agree fix it you will be happy you did.



Mk

 

[briannelson2003]

does it have a manual adjustment on it or is it hydro only?

 

[mkhammer]

Call CMC tomorrow and ask them if you can use it that way and if they will sell you a pump only, I sell cmc products and never had this question come up. Or you may be able to send the pump back and have CMC fix it . If they see it was a manufactures defect they may fix it for free. Here is their tech line Phone: 580-252-1699

MK

 

[merc245]

I replaced the hydro-unit on mine about 6 or 7 yrs ago for apx $320-$340!

 

[ckmate225]

thanks for the replies. the dealer who has it led me to believe that it was taken off and replaced without trying to troubleshoot it. it seems to have alot of wiring with it so i would guess it is all there. would love to get it working again but if not can the motor come off of it and be used as a manual plate? he claimed it could be done this way. this is new territory for me. my father and one of my friends has mass electrical knowledge so if it is fixable i know one of them can do it. but like i said if i can use it manually and remove motor if it is shot i still saved versus buying a new one.

Brian,after reading this post, I am having a hard time believing the dealer just pulled it off and put it up for sale with out troubleshooting it, I would be a little leary unless you know these guys really well, It seems odd that they would yank out a 1000.00 jackplate then just stick it out for sale for 95.00.
Seems there may be more wrong with it than you are led to believe. you never know,it could repairable or could it be bent or bound up beyond repair. I am absolutly not a JP expert by any means, but usually these guys know what they have and don't give stuff away to cheap..
Check it out really well so you dont spend 100.00 on 3 bucks worth of scrap.
-Ted

 

[mkhammer]

Brian,after reading this post, I am having a hard time believing the dealer just pulled it off and put it up for sale with out troubleshooting it, I would be a little leary unless you know these guys really well, It seems odd that they would yank out a 1000.00 jackplate then just stick it out for sale for 95.00.
Seems there may be more wrong with it than you are led to believe. you never know,it could repairable or could it be bent or bound up beyond repair. I am absolutly not a JP expert by any means, but usually these guys know what they have and don't give stuff away to cheap..
Check it out really well so you dont spend 100.00 on 3 bucks worth of scrap.
-Ted

I can appreciate you looking out for Brian and by no means am trying to discredit you. But from a different stand point.
Dealer cost is not a $1000.00
This sounds more like what is going on if it is a reputable shop.
It is possible they don't want to repair it because they can not represent it as new and stand behind it and cmc sent them a new one and CMC didn't want the old one back.
It is faster with less liability to repair a boat by installing something new that has been replaced by warranty. opposed to repair and reinstall a broke one.
So they are offering the broke one for $95.
As`a vendor and a repair shop I could not install it on another boat and stand behind it, knowing if it fails again I would be liable to install a new one for free to the customer. eating the labor alone could exceed the cost of the jackplate. That would be a bigger loss than selling the broke one for $95.00 with no warranty.

MK

 

[ckmate225]

MK, I would never take offence to any other opinion, thats what this forum is all about, And I don't think you could discredit me, I do that on my own on a daily basis. I can see your point, But since we have gone way beyond Brians original question,and brought up liability,But I think we are still within the scope of the thread, So Here's another way to see it (My appologies for the long windedness).
... If this was removed under warrenty shouldn't it be distroyed? Anything I have ever replaced under warrenty (no matter what the defect) would have to be deemed unrepairible and under agreement with the manufacturrer that it not be resold. I can't say this is how all industries work, But, I would think that since this is a dealer that is selling a known defective part ,even if it is disclosed to the customer, there is some liability. If its a private party deal I think it would be a different story,But since this particular seller is a professional they would still be liable for anything that may happen, which would also put the manufacturer at risk. I could be way off base. But in a sue happy world, I think dealers and manufacturers are obligated to protect themselves and there customers.
A quick scenario,
(Brian,I changed your name to "Bryan" in this story to so you can remain anonyamous. )
Bryan buys the removed warrentied JP, modifys it because the dealer said it could be made into a manual plate, the modification is not correct, The plate separates,the motor launches into the boat and hits Bryan while it spinning at 6000 rpm. Not a good scene, but then who is liable? Brian is not a professional,his modification can't be guarrenteed "safe". but was done because he was told "it could be done" obviosly with no instruction or guidence. Then poor old Bryan has to walk around with a 2.4 L Mercury lodged in his nether regions till it grows out.
I have no issue with used equipment, Hell, most of the stuff I buy is used. But I think Warrenty replaced equipment is a different case.
Please,By all means,correct me if I am wrong. Thats why we are all here.
-T.D.

 

[mkhammer]

MK, I would never take offence to any other opinion, thats what this forum is all about, And I don't think you could discredit me, I do that on my own on a daily basis. I can see your point, But since we have gone way beyond Brians original question,and brought up liability,But I think we are still within the scope of the thread, So Here's another way to see it (My appologies for the long windedness).
... If this was removed under warrenty shouldn't it be distroyed? Anything I have ever replaced under warrenty (no matter what the defect) would have to be deemed unrepairible and under agreement with the manufacturrer that it not be resold. I can't say this is how all industries work, But, I would think that since this is a dealer that is selling a known defective part ,even if it is disclosed to the customer, there is some liability. If its a private party deal I think it would be a different story,But since this particular seller is a professional they would still be liable for anything that may happen, which would also put the manufacturer at risk. I could be way off base. But in a sue happy world, I think dealers and manufacturers are obligated to protect themselves and there customers.
A quick scenario,
(Brian,I changed your name to "Bryan" in this story to so you can remain anonyamous. )
Bryan buys the removed warrentied JP, modifys it because the dealer said it could be made into a manual plate, the modification is not correct, The plate separates,the motor launches into the boat and hits Bryan while it spinning at 6000 rpm. Not a good scene, but then who is liable? Brian is not a professional,his modification can't be guarrenteed "safe". but was done because he was told "it could be done" obviosly with no instruction or guidence. Then poor old Bryan has to walk around with a 2.4 L Mercury lodged in his nether regions till it grows out.
I have no issue with used equipment, Hell, most of the stuff I buy is used. But I think Warrenty replaced equipment is a different case.
Please,By all means,correct me if I am wrong. Thats why we are all here.
-T.D.

You have a good point and someone could try to take it to that level.
I think it would be up to the dealers discretion to sell it or not. If they stated as is used no warranty and did not install it for him. "Bryan" would be on his own.
And this is a good reason if one is worried about something like you stated happening to them. Pay for a new JP and have a professional shop install it.
Scenario "Bryan" could by one online new and if he installed it himself and got his mota stuck up his a** His only recourse would be to try to sue CMC. After investigation they find he did not use the correct transom washer or his transom was not strong enough to use it with his application or he flat installed it wrong for another reason. he would loose.
And since this is a hypothetical Bryan. I was just saying in my last post I could see why they could let it go for that cheap.
Brian you will have to make a decision if it is worth it.

But as said the pump was bad and those JP are a pretty stout hunk of aluminum. Installed correctly and the pump was repaired I think the chance is slim to none of something happening.

If you are not going to fix the pump I would pay couple 100 more bucks and just put a new manual one on that is what they are designed for. They have a screw jack in them. It would be a hassle and hard to move a broke hydraulic one. I guess you could take a engine hoist to the lake with you to make adjustments on the launch ramp if you didn't want to fix the pump.( what a visual that would be) Basically it would become a fixed set back bracket.

MK

 

[ckmate225]

I agree,.

 

[briannelson2003]

thanks for all the posts. i am gonna take a leap of faith and pick it up friday. i talked to a local well known boat tech/racer and he told me it can be modified into a manual or just as you all have said hopefully repairable as a hydraulic unit. the later would be a nice outcome. worst case scenario i stick it on ebay for a few $'s .

 

[ckmate225]

thanks for all the posts. i am gonna take a leap of faith and pick it up friday. i talked to a local well known boat tech/racer and he told me it can be modified into a manual or just as you all have said hopefully repairable as a hydraulic unit. the later would be a nice outcome. worst case scenario i stick it on ebay for a few $'s .

I hope it works out for you, As you know we were disscussing the worst case scenerio on the other posts, As long as you know what you are getting into right from the start, there is no room for dissapointment ,
In any case, I hope you can fix it and use it as a hydraulic.That would be a great find for the money.

 

[Reed]

got a chance to buy a cmc 6" hydro jack plate for $95.00. the motor on it does not work and the dealer does not know the problem but says it can be used as a manual plate also. i was thinking of taking the motor off of it and use it manually and eventually maybe look into getting the motor on it fixed. even if i cant get the motor too work the plate itself will cost me half of the price of a new one. any thoughts?

Take your electric motor off and take it to a local shop that rebuilds starters and alternators and they can rebuild it ( I had to do that with mine ) it was I think about 60$ make sure you have all your grounds hooked up ( I found my motor needed a secondary ground to work right, so it wouldn't heat up ) and run faster.

 

[briannelson2003]

dissapointment

well, as luck has it i did not look very close upon first inspection. the plate is actually a cmc pt130 tilt and trim which i dont need and is only rated for up to 130 hp. i was told that the hydraulic actuator may have a broken gear. either way its not for me so i am gonna take it back.

 

[mkhammer]

well, as luck has it i did not look very close upon first inspection. the plate is actually a cmc pt130 tilt and trim which i dont need and is only rated for up to 130 hp. i was told that the hydraulic actuator may have a broken gear. either way its not for me so i am gonna take it back.

Brian, That's a bummer Check 225 had that deal pegged, If I can help you with a manual one let me know I can see what kind of deal I can get for you.

MKhammer

 

[briannelson2003]

thanks hammer, thought i tripped over a deal but oh well. i will get with you before summer and see what you have available. have to wait and see how taxes turn out before i put any more into the boat. what bothers me is that i mentioned several times what hp i have (150) and i find out when i get home the thing is rated for 130. is that for the weight ratio that the hydro motor has to lift or the overall strength?

 

[ckmate225]

That crappy. Hopefully Mike can help you out with something.