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1979 Checkmate Predictor

I just replaced my inline Merc 140 with a Merc 2.5 175! Installed a 6" jackplate, water pressure gauge, hotfoot and dual cable rack and pinion steering. Prop is a trophey 4 blade 24 pitch.
Yesterday was my first outing with it. Gps was 71 mph....I expected more! The Chime walk started at about 66 and had to back off at 71. Im gonna raise the jack plate and see what happens.....Is anyone running this setup!?!?!?!
 
that doesn't sound too bad, i'll be watching this thread carefully. sorry, mine is in pieces at the moment, but i have been thinking of at least a 150 when the time comes to power it again.
 
how high is your motor now?

got a lwp?

how many rpms you turnin??

were you by yourself?? my predictor is nearly impossible to drive much over 70 by myself..just yesterday evening by myself, and i had 150 lbs of sandbags on the floor in front of the passenger seat, i ran it over 80 for about 3 miles..

you will learn to drive through the chine walk with seat time!!:bigthumb:
 
perdictor/175

For a first test, I would say you got good speed. I would add a set of the water scoops that merc sells for the water intakes. There are two sizes, make sure you buy the right ones, get a water pressure guage if you don't already have one .On the trailor, Trim the motor so the propshaft is parallel to the pad and using a 3' level of something like it, measure the distance from the bottom of the pad to the centre of the propshaft. The scoops will allow you to go higher where you will find more speed and better handling. More seat time with the new motor will also help.

Steve
 
tight steering, jacking the mota as high as you can while keeping good water pressure and solid mota mounts will all help reduce chine walk, but there will always be a little at some speeds.
71 sounds like a decent first run out...i would think with that mota it should be good for mid to high 70's.
 
how high is your motor now?

got a lwp?

how many rpms you turnin??

were you by yourself?? my predictor is nearly impossible to drive much over 70 by myself..just yesterday evening by myself, and i had 150 lbs of sandbags on the floor in front of the passenger seat, i ran it over 80 for about 3 miles..

you will learn to drive through the chine walk with seat time!!:bigthumb:
Im turning 6200 rpms and I had a passenger the second run...first run by myself was crazy...all over the place! No low water pickup yet...Thinking about adding a cone! I would love to do 80! And 71 was on GPS!
 
tight steering, jacking the mota as high as you can while keeping good water pressure and solid mota mounts will all help reduce chine walk, but there will always be a little at some speeds.
71 sounds like a decent first run out...i would think with that mota it should be good for mid to high 70's.
What is solid motor mounts?!?!?!
 
they attach the mid section to the bracket, stock fishin motas come with rubber ones, changing them to solid ones will make it so the engine can't move around at all...the sacrafice is it vibrates more.
 
71MPH with a 24P is pretty good. Without a cone you need to get your prop shaft about 2" below the pad and find a three blade prop. I could get mine up to 70mph with a 2L 150 and a crappy prop so I think you should be able to reach high 70's.
 
Great East Predictor - solid mounts is a great suggestion. I agree with you!

Fastcheckmate175 - chine walk is pretty common on performance vee-pad hulls like yours.

As the hull accelerates, lift increases and the wetted running surfaces that are required to support the hull are reduced (more Speed = more Lift = less Surface). As the speed increases throughout the velocity range, the hull often gets to a point where the lifting surfaces become very much reduced and the hull is now "balancing" on a small area of the vee-portion or the "vee-pad" of the hull. When that surface becomes sufficiently small, it becomes tricky to "balance" the hull on its vee or pad. The result is a rocking of the hull from side-to-side. This rocking can tend to get a little more extreme with each motion, and so the "balancing" must then be provided by additional driver (steering/throttle/trim) input in order to maintain the hull in a balanced state.

With some driver input, the condition can be stabilized. With changes to hull setup and/or changes to the driving technique the condition can be alleviated.

Chine walking is predominantly characteristic of vee-hulls with deeper Vees (more deadrise), or hulls with deep or narrow running pads and hulls, or with a Veed pad or no pad (straight vee). These bottom designs are just more inherently difficult to balance at higher speeds. Another contribution to chine walking can be seen at higher speeds from "propeller slap" (usually seen more with props of fewer blades). As the prop turns, each blade enters the water and another exits the water. This irregular in/out of every blade, changes the dynamic forces at the location of the propshaft, putting an imbalance on a hull that is trying to balance on it's vee or pad, and ultimately initiates chine walking.

Setup of your hull and driver "seat-time" are the best solutions to the problem. Usually an alteration to the hull, or hull setup and/or modification to your driving methods (read seat-time) will improve the problem.

Here are some established steps toward minimizing chine walking:

1. Check & adjust steering - There should be no play in the steering mechanism. And a dual-cable or dual-hydraulic setup should be used for high performance hull setups. You will be unable to achieve proper steering control for high-performance conditions with a single-cable steering system. For cable setups, be sure that you have all of the slack adjusted out of it, so the cables are slightly pre-loaded against each other. Same for hydraulic, ensure it's adjusted so there is no play in the wheel and carefully bleed the lines to remove all air from all parts of the system.

2. Use solid mounts - Stock rubber motor mounts allow for too much slack movement between steering wheel and engine. Solid mounts are much tighter and provide much better steering control at high performance speeds.

3. Clean Hull Lines – make sure that any non-designed irregularities such as hook, rocker, bumps or other notches in the running surfaces are removed or faired away. You can use a long straightedge to visually inspect your running surfaces and fair out the imperfections. If you’re not sure of your hull design, you should check with the manufacturer to confirm if the original design had some hook or rocker designed into it for some performance reason (sometimes this is the case). Otherwise, rework your bottom running surfaces until they are very straight and very smooth.

4. Weight balance of hull – Although this is a tricky thing to optimize for all speeds (since the dynamic balance of a hull shifts significantly throughout the operating velocity range of the boat), the onset of the chine-walking phenomenon usually occurs at a particular speed for each hull and you can focus on correcting balance at that bothersome speed. Try to situate movable payloads close to the static center of gravity (CofG) – both longitudinally and laterally. This can often be a trial-and-error experience, but you’ll see the results of weight balance changes immediately in the handling of the boat. Optimize portable equipment, batteries, oil tank and fuel tank positions. Also situate passengers for the best weight balance. An equally balanced passenger/driver load will help allot, so if the driver’s seat is positioned much to one side, add weight to the passenger seat to help balance the load and make learning to drive the boat much easier.

5. Motor height – You can adjust engine height to minimize the instability. This is easiest to do with a hydraulic jack plate, but a manual jack plate will provide the same range of adjustment needed. Remember that as you raise the engine height, a low water pickup may become necessary in order to ensure that the engine gets enough water pressure. Test your rig at different speeds, weight distributions and water conditions to find the best height for each. Often, as the engine is raised on the transom, the reduced lower unit drag can have an improved effect on handling instabilities such as chine walking. Engine setback can also affect stability, although it is more difficult to test using the ‘trial and error" method.

6. Propeller selection - The right propeller design can change the balance of a hull as well as make or break its performance. Rake, diameter, pitch, cup and blade number, can all influence the Lift and drag forces that are generated at the aft-end of the hull. High-pitch propellers (lower RPM) can make the boat more difficult to drive and ultimately contribute to slower achieved top speed simply because they are more challenging to drive. Be sure to select a prop that allows you to stay within your manufacturer's recommended RPM range, though. Larger diameter props with lesser rake can improve handling situations like chine-walk. And more blades will usually improve handling (less prop-slap). Propeller testing is also time-consuming, but can really pay off in overall performance and stability.

7. Seat time (experience) – Chine walk on a vee hull can usually be controlled by the driver as he gains more experience and skill with his setup. Unfortunately, there is just no substitute for experience! Drive your hull in different conditions at lower speeds until you are completely comfortable with your ability to "sense" and "correct" for motions of the hull to conditions and speed changes. Then gain more experience at a slightly faster speed, in the same way. Work you way up to higher velocities slowly, under good control. With familiarity, you will develop a sense to predict your hull’s motion and you’ll soon be able to react accordingly to correct it prior to it getting severe. The correct driver input to balance a vee-hull or a pad-vee hull at higher speeds is very minor if the adjustments are made quickly, immediately at the onset of motion ("timing is everything").

"Timing is everything" - When you sense the onset of chine walking, reduce engine trim and/or throttle. When the motion subsides, you can increase trim and throttle smoothly as the hull drives right through the previous chine-walk speed barrier. Steering adjustments need only be small, but should be made in a timely manner in the opposite direction of the hull bow movement. When the left bow drops or the bow moves left, steer slightly right. When the right bow drops or the bow moves right, steer left. This steering input is done swiftly and in short motions. With practice you will be able to make these small steering inputs "before" the motion actually occurs. Turning the steering wheel slightly into (against) the torque of the propeller as soon as you "sense" the onset of lateral imbalance (side-to-side rocking), can help drive through the chine walk stage too.

8. Minimize Trim Angle - This was mentioned above, but worth saying again. Use as little positive trim as possible. More trim (higher running angle of attack) causes the onset of dynamic instability to occur earlier and with more drama (more surprises). Higher trim angles can also lead to onset of porpoising in some hulls. A high-flying attitude is also harder to balance. When chine walking starts, it is not likely that you can simply "drive through it" safely without first reducing trim slightly.

Summary: Optimize Hull Setup and Driver "seat-time"!

Here's some more details in an article on "Chine Walking"

/Jimboat
AeroMarine Research
 
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71MPH with a 24P is pretty good. Without a cone you need to get your prop shaft about 2" below the pad and find a three blade prop. I could get mine up to 70mph with a 2L 150 and a crappy prop so I think you should be able to reach high 70's.
Right now my prop shaft is 4 and a half'' below my pad....way too low! Im goona raise it up and try a 25p. Is 6200 rpms to much for the Merc 175 2.5 EFI, is a 1996?!?!?!
 
Right now my prop shaft is 4 and a half'' below my pad....way too low! Im goona raise it up and try a 25p. Is 6200 rpms to much for the Merc 175 2.5 EFI, is a 1996?!?!?!

4.5" below is way, way, way to low. With what you have now if you just raise your engine 2" your chine walk will be a lot less and you'll have a 75mph boat. 6200 is not going to hurt your engine at all. In fact you can run it to 6800 for short high speed runs.
If you havn't already, you need to remove your oil injection ASAP! It is only good for up to 5800rpm. Then Pre-mix 40:1.
 
i agree with 83PREDICTOR - you can raise your motor up alot. you should get a water pressure gage and raise the engine as high as you can still maintain good cooling water. A nose cone with LWP will also help cooling.
 
I agree

4.5" below is way, way, way to low. With what you have now if you just raise your engine 2" your chine walk will be a lot less and you'll have a 75mph boat. 6200 is not going to hurt your engine at all. In fact you can run it to 6800 for short high speed runs.
If you havn't already, you need to remove your oil injection ASAP! It is only good for up to 5800rpm. Then Pre-mix 40:1.
I would add run a good synthetic blend oil, I think that this is an iron liner and not a nicasil cyl wall. If so the blend would be best. I think Merc makes a good blend. I run the Omc XD-50 in mine witch is a blend. Make sure you're steering cables are adjusted tight and I would look into solid motor mounts, they work great and don't really bother you. That thing will haul ass.

Steve
 
4.5" below is way, way, way to low. With what you have now if you just raise your engine 2" your chine walk will be a lot less and you'll have a 75mph boat. 6200 is not going to hurt your engine at all. In fact you can run it to 6800 for short high speed runs.
If you havn't already, you need to remove your oil injection ASAP! It is only good for up to 5800rpm. Then Pre-mix 40:1.
I did remove the oil injection.....40:1...really! I have been mixing 50:1 and its killing me at an idle!!!!
 
There's nothing like the smell of a two-stroke.:drool:

When you gonna pic some pics of this machine?
Hopefully this weekend...it was rainy last weekend, we were out but no cameras
mmi
 
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