1st Baja mold made by Checkmate?

[Chris]

Anyone been over there recently and read that thread? Bayliners are now better than Checkmates.

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[senator-holland]

if you mean the baja thread, yeah, checked it out today. it was the hottest thread of the year 2003 for them.

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[harleyherb]

Got a friend that owns a real fast BAJA. I tell him that BAJA is the Bayliner of performance boats....If you can't joke about what you ride, you don't need to be riding...

Herb Martin

 

[senator-holland]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:


---- the moulds they used to build the Panthers.

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is it pantera or panter? this is a pantera...

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[Z06]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by senator-holland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:
Scott,

THIS COULD BE WRONG, but this is the story as it was related to me!

Yes indeed, it's true, a guy started Baja using old Checkmate moulds. It was back in the early 70's, and this particular fella was a Checkmate dealer of some sort. He would make numerous trips to the factory to pick up boats for his customers, and he made a number of inquiries about getting some old boat moulds. Finally, after numerous inquiries, he was successful and Mate made a deal with him and sold him a few of their old hull moulds. I believe the moulds were from the old MX line of boats. It was his responsibility for developing his own unique deck moulds to match the old Mate hulls. So along with a few partners, in an old abandoned arena, with a few old Checkmate moulds, this fellas launched Baja. After he built the company up, he eventually sold it to Brunswick. I bet he made a few dollars on that sale!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the funny thing is that the members of their forum are shitting on mate's but if they did knew the whole story, they had to shame theirselfs.

Z06 did go on till 150104 with his war on the baja forum, he could not win. but that is a fact we knew in the beginning....

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Could have came in and helped me prove my point. Should get someone like Kip and then a person from Baja to both get their stories straight and finally end this stupid debate!!!

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[Chris]

Hey Z, where ya been man?

As for the Baja forums. Who really cares? They like Bayliners and we like Checkmates. To each their own I say!

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[Z06]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:
Hey Z, where ya been man?

As for the Baja forums. Who really cares? They like Bayliners and we like Checkmates. To each their own I say!

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Hey Chris check out my thread in the Dock

And I gotta go back and read all that stuff again... Fun fun times

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[senator-holland]

wait for me. i will make this baja thing funny again...
look at their forum

 

[senator-holland]

Z06:
"Could have came in and helped me prove my point. Should get someone like Kip and then a person from Baja to both get their stories straight and finally end this stupid debate!!!"

here you are:
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[This message was edited by senator-holland on February 24, 2004 at 08:52 AM.]

 

[Kip Combs]

They are some funny things being said over there .....wow! I'm staying out of it, not my place to be over there.........But you guys would do the same thing if some baja guy come over here and started running his mouth! I'll just do what i've always done and what you guys should do....smoke every baja i run into( theirs plunty of them out there)...if they'll try they usually turn and run!

 

[Z06]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by senator-holland:
Z06:
"Could have came in and helped me prove my point. Should get someone like Kip and then a person from Baja to both get their stories straight and finally end this stupid debate!!!"

here you are:
http://pub47.ezboard.com/fteambajamarinefrm7.showMessageRange?topicID=964.topic&start=161&stop=175

[This message was edited by senator-holland on February 24, 2004 at 08:52 AM.] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very nice Helmich. Get the

from me!!!!

 

[cooperider]

My next door neighbor was one of the founders of Baja and they did use a Checkmate mold to make their first boat. They did not sell it to Brunswick, they were going to be late on some money to the bank, the bank panicked and sold it to Genmar. Genmar sold it to Brunswick.

 

[cooperider]

Checkmate did sell some molds to a company in Canada but I could not tell you which one. They sold the Trimate 1 and Trimate 2 molds to Sea Raider in Sandusky OH. I bought the Trimate 2 molds from Sea Raider. But I wish I could have all the molds that have been taken to the local landfill and crushed by both companys. Or even just a couple of them.

 

[Chris]

Quinn's bought a few, I think.

As did Panther, I think.

 

[Duane]

coop, do you still have the trimate 2 molds?
Gus, what do ya say, grab those molds, mod em with a pad depending how your boat works out, and you turn out ultralite composite padded trimate 2s that will hang with some new high performance outboards. Maybe switch up the deck, building a boat couldn't be that much harder than what you've done thusfar, could it? I mean you basically have built a new boat.

Just a random idea haha

 

[cooperider]

I mentioned that to Gus, I am working on some changes such as a larger dash area for more room for gauges. I also have a closed bow deck mold that I made to fit that hull.

 

[cooperider]

Also going to be making some low profile fiberglass windscreens. Cause that would be cool!

 

[bearclaw]

Doug Smith was the main founder of what became Baja, AFAIK. He had a house at Indian Lake, OH for a while back then, as we did. Big fella, heck of a nice guy. Don't remember if he had been affiliated with CM or in some other line of sales. Yes, they used a couple Check molds to start out in around '72: the first edition of the Playmate (friend of mine had one in '72), and the venerable V-161 outboard (the old 'flare deck' - I saw a new white one at Keith McLeod's in Mansfield at the time). They were called "COBRA". They were just learning the ropes, so they 'chop-gunned' their boats in the beginning. HEAVY as hell, and no, they didn't flake, but they did a nice job finishing them. The story I heard was, in their second year, they were threatened with litigation by either "Cobia" or MFG, who made a model called a Cobra. In any case, that's when they changed the name. They also went to hand layup about that time. Even selling small models, they became a competitive force quickly (at least in the marketplace). But
model for model, Checkmates were almost always quicker!

 

[SCT]

Bearclaw,

Neil Baker (now owns Monarch boats) along with a couple of other Bucyrus guys founded Baja in the early 70s. The original name was something like Aeroglass. Doug Smith later bought into the company and eventually took it over.

 

[cooperider]

Doug Smith bought it from the founders. He also later lost it for them to. Nice goin Doug.