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TheNerd
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I would be shocked if there was any snow left there. They have had several warm days. Take some pics for us.
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Barn Roof fell on my Starliner!!!
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kct11
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No I have not learned the hard way, but I believe in some of the old wives tales I hear. And I also have been raised and been told " Boy if its not right or you have a funny feeling you better run and never look back " Not knocking anybody but I would move if I lived in a town called GAYLORD or any other town that sounds like a HOMOVILLE. Just my worthless 02 coming from your typical REDNECK.
Right to a town called TurkeyFoot?
Anthony, hopefully you get your boat out ok. Had i not read this untill this morning, you could have picked me up for some help.
justincase
Well-known member
or a town called hell.
justincase
Well-known member
i forgot there is a town 20 minutes north of here....wadsworth
Needafunboat
Active member
STARLINER IS HOME!!!!
OK, guys - not to divert the topic away from silly town names, but I GOT THE BOAT OUT!
First thanks to Ross, Kurt, Mr. Buss for the offers for help. You don't run into that sort of thing too often these days.
Second, I finally have a BUNCH of pictures posted on photobucket:
http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm61/picbucket2008/Starliner Barn Crash 2009/
We got up there on friday night and moved a fair bit of snow with just the truck headlights on - enough so that we could get salt packed around the pontoon tires and my frame. The whole barn basically became a skating rink with about 8" of ice in it. The Pontoon tires were stuck in that ice. Check the pictures. We used a breaker bar to split it up and a manure shovel to move it.
We had the pontoon out by about 9am on sat. morning - all it took was some digging, that salt, a heavy foot on the gas and about 4 ft of slack in the tow strap! We were considerably more careful about 4 hrs later when we pulled mine out.
I carefully got the snow off the boat, which wasn't that bad. There was a lot of ice that must have come from the roof and half-way melted on to the boat. Luckily the cover made that pretty easy to ice off.
I am amazed that the boat and trailer didn't break from all of that weight - there had to have been over a ton of snow and ice ON the boat (plus what was IN it). One tire did go flat but that was it. So after we got as much weight out as possible, we filled the tire, jacked the tongue and put a new tongue jack on. Then we wheeled it around and around to get it through the opening. We ended up having to move alot more ice to get it out.
Now to the problem - when the roof fell, tongue jack broke so the boat was tipped forward. The boat was (and still) filled up with ice. Even though the plug was out, the entire thing was filled up with ice. Maybe it froze slow enough and had enough room to expand upward somehow, but it doesn't look like any damage happened when the ice froze and expanded. I guess I won't know for sure until I can look at the ski hole and stringers in the back that I can see.
As the boat sits in my driveway tonight (uncovered!!), the hole and front of the boat filled with solid ice - I could open the starboard side front bench seat and it is still about half way filled with ice. The port side is still iced shut - there is a pic of the ice there. The wakeboard and throwable cushion are still iced in.
If there is no ice damage, then it's just the crushed windshield, a few interior cushions and a few pretty minor gel coat touch up areas. Radio and fishfinder too, but that's easy. I'd also like to try to get a new carpet out of the deal. I've talked with Kary and also Kevin Brown of North Shore. I'll probably end up taking it to Kary if he's interested in this type of work.
I'll keep everyone posted on what happens. For now, please keep an eye out for a port side front windshield. I suppose it can be fabricated somehow.
OK, guys - not to divert the topic away from silly town names, but I GOT THE BOAT OUT!
First thanks to Ross, Kurt, Mr. Buss for the offers for help. You don't run into that sort of thing too often these days.
Second, I finally have a BUNCH of pictures posted on photobucket:
http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm61/picbucket2008/Starliner Barn Crash 2009/
We got up there on friday night and moved a fair bit of snow with just the truck headlights on - enough so that we could get salt packed around the pontoon tires and my frame. The whole barn basically became a skating rink with about 8" of ice in it. The Pontoon tires were stuck in that ice. Check the pictures. We used a breaker bar to split it up and a manure shovel to move it.
We had the pontoon out by about 9am on sat. morning - all it took was some digging, that salt, a heavy foot on the gas and about 4 ft of slack in the tow strap! We were considerably more careful about 4 hrs later when we pulled mine out.
I carefully got the snow off the boat, which wasn't that bad. There was a lot of ice that must have come from the roof and half-way melted on to the boat. Luckily the cover made that pretty easy to ice off.
I am amazed that the boat and trailer didn't break from all of that weight - there had to have been over a ton of snow and ice ON the boat (plus what was IN it). One tire did go flat but that was it. So after we got as much weight out as possible, we filled the tire, jacked the tongue and put a new tongue jack on. Then we wheeled it around and around to get it through the opening. We ended up having to move alot more ice to get it out.
Now to the problem - when the roof fell, tongue jack broke so the boat was tipped forward. The boat was (and still) filled up with ice. Even though the plug was out, the entire thing was filled up with ice. Maybe it froze slow enough and had enough room to expand upward somehow, but it doesn't look like any damage happened when the ice froze and expanded. I guess I won't know for sure until I can look at the ski hole and stringers in the back that I can see.
As the boat sits in my driveway tonight (uncovered!!), the hole and front of the boat filled with solid ice - I could open the starboard side front bench seat and it is still about half way filled with ice. The port side is still iced shut - there is a pic of the ice there. The wakeboard and throwable cushion are still iced in.
If there is no ice damage, then it's just the crushed windshield, a few interior cushions and a few pretty minor gel coat touch up areas. Radio and fishfinder too, but that's easy. I'd also like to try to get a new carpet out of the deal. I've talked with Kary and also Kevin Brown of North Shore. I'll probably end up taking it to Kary if he's interested in this type of work.
I'll keep everyone posted on what happens. For now, please keep an eye out for a port side front windshield. I suppose it can be fabricated somehow.
justincase
Well-known member
wow according to the pics you are lucky! we will keep hoping stringers and floor are ok.
Heavy Handed
Active member
Glad you got her out and home. Just your luck it would have to snow today--WTF 
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TheNerd
Guest
Looks pretty bad. But it has sat for three months in a Michigan winter.
Wow! You guys sure had your work cut out for you. It hurts just to look at those pictures but all things considered it might have been a lot worse.
Hope it turns out to just be what you can see on the outside.
Me and my Starliner will put you and your Starliner in our prayers tonight.
Good luck!
Hope it turns out to just be what you can see on the outside.
Me and my Starliner will put you and your Starliner in our prayers tonight.
Good luck!
hotdaddy27
Well-known member
That picture of the ice in the ski compartment made my skin crawl...
Just make sure that you emphasize to the insurance company that the man made materials that are used to construct a boat are no match for the wrath of mother nature's water/ice combo.
The results of this disaster may not be evident to the naked eye, but there will be some sort of issue down the road. Boats flex, but how much in freezing temps. is the question. The insurance has to give you enough money that you are comfortable.
You are in a tough spot though, because you may not replace such a nice boat if they total it...
Just sucks.....ruined my night.
HD
Just make sure that you emphasize to the insurance company that the man made materials that are used to construct a boat are no match for the wrath of mother nature's water/ice combo.
The results of this disaster may not be evident to the naked eye, but there will be some sort of issue down the road. Boats flex, but how much in freezing temps. is the question. The insurance has to give you enough money that you are comfortable.
You are in a tough spot though, because you may not replace such a nice boat if they total it...
Just sucks.....ruined my night.
HD
Needafunboat
Active member
I've been checking it out more and I keep thinking ice expands and breaks stuff. But the floor is/was not heaved at all and what isn't (still) covered in ice feels very solid when I bounce on it. I still can't open my port bow seat up!
My hope is that it dripped and froze in small amounts. I don't think it filled up all at once, and there was also probably some snow in there to give it some room to expand. If it didn't have some type of room to expand and all froze at once, it would have popped the floor right off - especially in the front. If it didn't push the stringers outward (I should be able to see that once the hole thaws), I think it ,should be OK. I looked down the length of the hull and everything was straight - no weird bulges.
HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE?? Merc245, I remember you left the plug in once, was it over the winter?
Yeah - I can't touch a 21' BR like that for the $8500 the boat is insured for. Finding an older pulsare BR, or a 234BR would be my best shots but I'd be bucking up some cash for those, and I just can't do that right now.
I'm actually going to put the boat in the water when it drains/thaws and see how solid it feels. If there are any new odd creaks or squeaks then the floor has to come off and the insurance co may total it.
Not much I can do until it thaws - it's been cold here so it's going slow.
My hope is that it dripped and froze in small amounts. I don't think it filled up all at once, and there was also probably some snow in there to give it some room to expand. If it didn't have some type of room to expand and all froze at once, it would have popped the floor right off - especially in the front. If it didn't push the stringers outward (I should be able to see that once the hole thaws), I think it ,should be OK. I looked down the length of the hull and everything was straight - no weird bulges.
HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED TO ANYONE ELSE?? Merc245, I remember you left the plug in once, was it over the winter?
Yeah - I can't touch a 21' BR like that for the $8500 the boat is insured for. Finding an older pulsare BR, or a 234BR would be my best shots but I'd be bucking up some cash for those, and I just can't do that right now.
I'm actually going to put the boat in the water when it drains/thaws and see how solid it feels. If there are any new odd creaks or squeaks then the floor has to come off and the insurance co may total it.
Not much I can do until it thaws - it's been cold here so it's going slow.
Needafunboat
Active member
Hey - here's one more thought. My port bow seat box is still frozen shut, but the lid isn't lifted, nor is the box bowed out. So maybe that garage I stored it in is in a weird 4th dimension where water doesn't expand when it freezes... I don't freakin' know! I'm clinging to the slow freeze theory.
It seems like the floor or hull should have popped like a beer can in the freezer, but it didn't.
If you could feel how solid / heavy that ice was on top of the boat, it seems like it should have crushed the hull too... but it didn't. there was so much weight on that thing. Maybe checkmate just builds great boats. That's what I'll be telling myself as I try to sleep.
It seems like the floor or hull should have popped like a beer can in the freezer, but it didn't.
If you could feel how solid / heavy that ice was on top of the boat, it seems like it should have crushed the hull too... but it didn't. there was so much weight on that thing. Maybe checkmate just builds great boats. That's what I'll be telling myself as I try to sleep.
Big Red
Well-known member
Man their isn't any way you can get that inside and get that ice melting. I would try to raise the nose up as high as I can like 3-5 foot. This will help the water drain out the back instead of penetrating all the under construction of the boat. Slow water dripping is the worst thing right now that will saturate everything
Maybe your insurance guy will total it and you can buy it back from them for 500 - 1000.00 bucks.
Shurely somebody around you can let you park it in their shop or garage so you can get some heat to it. If you want me to I will post your situation on Boatfreaks and maybe somebody their in your area can lend you a hand in the shop use.
Maybe your insurance guy will total it and you can buy it back from them for 500 - 1000.00 bucks.
Shurely somebody around you can let you park it in their shop or garage so you can get some heat to it. If you want me to I will post your situation on Boatfreaks and maybe somebody their in your area can lend you a hand in the shop use.
Anthony- 2 things.
1. To thaw your boat you can run a space heater out there with an extension cord and it will warm up decently under the tarp. I do that in my boat over the winter anyhow-that way if it's real wet for a few days I plug the extension cord in for a little while to get the moisture out so it doesn't bother my floors and other wood.
2.You're not necessarily going to see expansion damage from the ice. Given a choice ice expands into the path of least resistance. Often, in little cracks it's already skinned up on the top and has to go down but your hull didn't pop like a can in the freezer because there wasn't an external pressure keeping the fluid from expanding into free space.
It's entirely possible you got off without damage. The small cracks (stringers, around the floor, etc.) are gonna be the toughies. Thaw it, float it, run it, listen for wierdness.
Good luck
1. To thaw your boat you can run a space heater out there with an extension cord and it will warm up decently under the tarp. I do that in my boat over the winter anyhow-that way if it's real wet for a few days I plug the extension cord in for a little while to get the moisture out so it doesn't bother my floors and other wood.
2.You're not necessarily going to see expansion damage from the ice. Given a choice ice expands into the path of least resistance. Often, in little cracks it's already skinned up on the top and has to go down but your hull didn't pop like a can in the freezer because there wasn't an external pressure keeping the fluid from expanding into free space.
It's entirely possible you got off without damage. The small cracks (stringers, around the floor, etc.) are gonna be the toughies. Thaw it, float it, run it, listen for wierdness.
Good luck