Rigging a Pulsare 2100

[mattj65816]

Hi! I have a fine young 2000 Pulsare 2100 BR who blew her engine last summer (a 99 Pro Max 225.) I'm looking at re-engining it for next year with one of three engines:

1) An Optimax 250 XS (the "high performance" 250.)
2) An Optimax 250 Pro XS (the "standard" 250.)
3) An Optimax 300 XS (probaby faster than what I want, but I'm throwing it in there anyway.)

Can anybody give me the lowdown on the difference between the two 250s? The Pro XS actually looks a bit more "advanced" than the XS from my read of the specs. Do they both run on 87 octane? Only the XS (the high performance one) specifically lists running on 87 octane on the web site.

How about the price differences? Performance? I'd like to be able to hit 80 with it. 85 would be exciting. 90 would be too fast, really (the folks at Checkmate say that the 300 would do that, but I'd prop it down and enjoy the hole shot rather than go for all of that top speed.)

And the really big question: who, in the opinions of those who have them, is best at rigging these boats in the Minnesota/Wisconsin area?

I appreciate any info that anybody can provide. I love this boat--can't wait to get it back onto the water.

 

[xsive]

Powerhead wise the 250XS and the 250ProXS are virtually the same motor, except the 250XS is assmebled in the Racing Plant and the 250PROXS is assembled in the main plant.

The difference from there is gearcase selection in the 20" models. The 250XS comes with the SportMaster and the ProXS has the TorqueMaster.

The PROXS is usually a little cheaper because it comes with 3 years warranty and the 250XS out of the Racing plant only has two. Both run 87 octane (Older 250XS used 91 I believe they went to 87 in 2006)

If you look at the power curves for the 250XS and the 300XS the 250 isn't far off the 300, but there is a difference. The run quality of these motors is really nice and good on fuel too.

Personally I would go with the 250ProXS on that boat. It will run great and should be able to touch 80MPH.

 

[83PREDICTOR]

My boat dosen't even compare to a 2100 but, from what I have read in the past, if you want to run mid 80's with a lower pitch prop you might need to go with the big boy 300

 

[xsive]

The PROXS is usually a little cheaper because it comes with 3 years warranty and the 250XS out of the Racing plant only has two.

Can't edit my post so... This is wrong what I meant to type was.....The PROXS is usually a little more expensive because it comes with 3 years warranty and the 250XS out of the Racing plant only has two.

 

[GFreeburn]

Pulsare Engine Choice

Hi Matt

I'm taking delivery of a new 2100 BR next week (hopefully) with a 250 Pro
XS. The boat is coming from Roberts Marine in Roberts, WI but I will be doing much of the rigging myself. I opted for the Pro XS because of the extra warranty and because installation of my SmartCraft gauges will be slightly easier and cheaper with this motor.

The technical info that Xsive has provided is absolutely correct so I have nothing more to add on that end. Obviously it will be a while before I can quote performance numbers.

To give you some comparative basis, you might want to check out JacosMarine.com for pricing on these engines - currrently 250XS - $14,480; 250 Pro XS - $15,480; 300XS - $14,950. I have never dealt there so this is by no means an endorsement.

PM me if you want to talk about my buying experience to-date and possbile contacts for rigging.

 

[Chris E]

Hi Matt

I'm taking delivery of a new 2100 BR next week (hopefully) with a 250 Pro
XS. The boat is coming from Roberts Marine in Roberts, WI but I will be doing much of the rigging myself. I opted for the Pro XS because of the extra warranty and because installation of my SmartCraft gauges will be slightly easier and cheaper with this motor.

The technical info that Xsive has provided is absolutely correct so I have nothing more to add on that end. Obviously it will be a while before I can quote performance numbers.

To give you some comparative basis, you might want to check out JacosMarine.com for pricing on these engines - currrently 250XS - $14,480; 250 Pro XS - $15,480; 300XS - $14,950. I have never dealt there so this is by no means an endorsement.

PM me if you want to talk about my buying experience to-date and possbile contacts for rigging.

was wondering when your boat was coming - where are you picking it up?

 

[ianz]

Sounds like you are putting together a nice package

The Pro XS versions are great motors. I have the 225 Pro XS on a 2100br running 77 on GPS. At cruise it burns 5 gallons per hour and WOT 15 GPH. Amazing compared to older EFI motors it is about half the fuel consumption

Bought it from Jacos, very easy to deal with and even though I live in Canada and had it shipped and rigged in the US (don't forget to order the prop from jaco's they have great deals)

One question that i am having that you may want to consider it the Sport Master vs. Tourque Master gear case. I know time and time again people say you don't need a SM til the 80MPH mark but I think high 70's is close enough to bennifet from it. I am finding low PSI at WOT and with the SM you have low water pickup that would eliminate this.


Just a couple things to thing about!

IZ

 

[Chris E]

Sounds like you are putting together a nice package

The Pro XS versions are great motors. I have the 225 Pro XS on a 2100br running 77 on GPS. At cruise it burns 5 gallons per hour and WOT 15 GPH. Amazing compared to older EFI motors it is about half the fuel consumption

Bought it from Jacos, very easy to deal with and even though I live in Canada and had it shipped and rigged in the US (don't forget to order the prop from jaco's they have great deals)

One question that i am having that you may want to consider it the Sport Master vs. Tourque Master gear case. I know time and time again people say you don't need a SM til the 80MPH mark but I think high 70's is close enough to bennifet from it. I am finding low PSI at WOT and with the SM you have low water pickup that would eliminate this.


Just a couple things to thing about!

IZ

hey you weren't at the fireworks in bracebridge bay sunday were you? saw a really sweet 2100br but couldn't tell what size engine was on it.

 

[JUPITER PULSARE]

I am finding low PSI at WOT and with the SM you have low water pickup that would eliminate this.


The Mercury "Scoops" do a great job of retaining water pressure at high motor settings. At a cost of only $45 they're a much cheaper solution than changing to a sportmaster case.

 

[ianz]

Hey Guys.... We are suppose to be helping Matt choose a motor. Without a question if I was doing it agian I would put a 300xs on it and call it a day. They motors now are good on gas and have an okay warrantee (2 years from what I have heard. Then you just decide SM or TM case and with 1.62's.

 

[Blizz]

I would go with the 300 if it's feasible for you they will get you into the mid to upper 90's with right setup, and though you say you don't want to go that fast it's nice to have the extra grunt when you got a boat load.

 

[xsive]

I would go with the 300 if it's feasible for you they will get you into the mid to upper 90's with right setup, and though you say you don't want to go that fast it's nice to have the extra grunt when you got a boat load.

Mid to upper 90's?? Where behind a truck?

You've put a 300XS on a 2100 and run mid to upper 90's?

Like Ian said, the guy is looking for information to help him make a selection of a motor. Don't post a bunch of nonsense. The fastest that I have heard about from a 2100 with a 300 is SCT's boat with a 300X at 91ish MPH. That boat was not your typical 2100 either. People posting crap like this is what helps make everything on the internet suspect. Who do you believe? Who is a BS'r?

 

[xsive]

I am finding low PSI at WOT and with the SM you have low water pickup that would eliminate this.

Hey Ian,

What is low water pressure? The 3.0L typically run les than the 2.5's. The manual for your motor says minimum 10psi@WOT.

 

[WILDMAN]

I've rigged the 2100's with all these motors. The 250 Proxs is quite a bit more money for one year more warrantee. The 250 Proxs and 250xs both use 87 octane. I drove a 2100BR to 81.8 on gps with only an hour on it with a 250xs. The 300xs will run 87-90 mph if you can drive it. I can, but most people can't. Very bad at chine walking with any motor over 75mph. The 225 is good for mid 70's.
Judging by drivability, fuel [87 octane], and cost, I recommend to my customers the 250xs. I've sold six 20ft and 21ft Pulsares in the last 8 weeks. Two 225's, three 250's, and one 300. Please call me for a price before you buy one. I also do alot of custom rigging that Checkmate does not do. Check out my website below. Thanx, WILDMAN

 

[ianz]

When it comes to 2100's and 2000's Wildman has tested just about every combination. In most cases he post GPS speeds only (to the 10th of a MPH) Unless you know what you want i would follow his reccomendations. Either way he is a wealth of knowledge for testing and rigging of these boats.

X-sive check your PM

 

[mattj65816]

Thanks for all of the input so far, folks. Right now I'm thinking that the decision will probably be made by the insurance company. I have a nasty feeling that they will not be willing to insure a boat which is capable of upper 80s--even if I'd rarely ever go that fast. So I'm afraid that in reality the 300 will not be an option.

Here is a BIG reason why I'm even thinking about the 300: if I had that, it would be much easier for me to upgrade the boat to a 24' Pulsare in a few years. I think that could push a 24 at a rate that would be enjoyable for me. I doubt that a 250 could do so. Oh well.

If the insight helps at all, it is more important to me to be able to do 60 or 65 with a few people in the boat than it is to do 90 alone. I expect that a 300, propped down a couple inches, would have no problem with such a load.

Choices, choices.

Wildman, I will contact you when I make the decision. Looks like you're located in Florida. That's a bit far from home for me, but I'd certainly be after whatever tips you could provide on setting up whatever engine I choose.

Thanks to everyone for all of the information provided so far. I expect that I will not find anyone to rig it in my immediate vicinity, so I need all the info I can get!

I've rigged the 2100's with all these motors. The 250 Proxs is quite a bit more money for one year more warrantee. The 250 Proxs and 250xs both use 87 octane. I drove a 2100BR to 81.8 on gps with only an hour on it with a 250xs. The 300xs will run 87-90 mph if you can drive it. I can, but most people can't. Very bad at chine walking with any motor over 75mph. The 225 is good for mid 70's.
Judging by drivability, fuel [87 octane], and cost, I recommend to my customers the 250xs. I've sold six 20ft and 21ft Pulsares in the last 8 weeks. Two 225's, three 250's, and one 300. Please call me for a price before you buy one. I also do alot of custom rigging that Checkmate does not do. Check out my website below. Thanx, WILDMAN

 

[WILDMAN]

I ship boats and motors anywhere. The 24 will run 74-75 with one person running light with a 300xs. It will run 70 with 3 people and half tank of gas. We get 21's insured with 300's all the time. You don't tell them how fast it goes!

 

[Craig]

Mid to upper 90's?? Where behind a truck?

You've put a 300XS on a 2100 and run mid to upper 90's?

Like Ian said, the guy is looking for information to help him make a selection of a motor. Don't post a bunch of nonsense. The fastest that I have heard about from a 2100 with a 300 is SCT's boat with a 300X at 91ish MPH. That boat was not your typical 2100 either. People posting crap like this is what helps make everything on the internet suspect. Who do you believe? Who is a BS'r?

I just finished breaking in a 300XS on a 2100 Pulsare closed deck last week....90 on GPS and still has more, I'm not quite dialed in yet. Hit a brick wall at 88 mph, but played with motor heights and got to 90 at around 6100, I still need to find that sweet spot, and figure I could push it another 100 or 200 rpms...rev limit is at 6400. 92, maybe better, is not out of the question, honestly.

It IS a handful at speeds above 75 like Randy said, but on smooth water is easily controlable....what has always been a challenge for me is wakes comming in from the side....I use to have a 2100 with a 300Promax a few years ago and the best that set-up would do was 84-85 on GPS.

The 300XS is the way to go.

-Craig

 

[WILDMAN]

Craig, what gearcase, prop, and hieght you running.

 

[Craig]

Craig, what gearcase, prop, and hieght you running.

1.75 TM

29 Tempest Plus

Almost 2" below pad....I can't tell yet if higher is helping, I've had it up around 1" below....need more dial in time. I think 92 is reachable, though.