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WANTED: Starflight or Starliner

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SunTime

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Late 80's to early 90 model years.
MUST be reasonably priced in TODAYS market as I am not willing to pay OVER todays market value for a 20 year old boat.
A project is o.k. as long as transom is solid.
Cash Buyer. P.M. me if terms above are met.
THANKS!
 
To clarify a bit more to what I'm looking for.

1.Stock, reliable power 150-200HP
2.Transom jack or other mods are really of no interest to me since this boat will be used mainly by my kids and grandkids for towing more then anything.
3.Top speed is not a issue.
4.Anything priced over Nada/buc value for hull, power and trailer are of no interest to me either, UNLESS it is a 9-10 on a scale of 1-10 in condition and care, then and only then I'd perhaps consider one priced over book as I'm VERY particular on how my boats look, and how they are maintained.
5.Hull and trailer with NO power I'd also consider as I have access to power.
6.Prefer something in the midwest, freshwater use but would be willing to travel if aggresssivly priced.
7.Light colored hull and deck. But may consider dark colors if again, they are very agressivly priced.
8.I would like to purchase this late summer or fall but have no timetable.
9.Detailed pics of transom issues, or any noticeable gel crazing/fiberglass issues anywhere on hull are a requirement.

Thanks again!
 
I might be interested in selling mine. I would sell it with or without power, boat is not in great shape its in "normal" shape for a 21 yr old boat. Deck is faded from years of not having a full cover and floor needs replaced because it is soft. Transom is solid and I re-inforced it with aluminum plates when I bought the boat and added the extension. It is dark blue and white and is turnkey 71 on GPS with the bridgeport. -shane
 
Agreed^^^

I think NADA on a late 80's Starflite hull is like $750 or something ridiculous like that.


Sounds like you need to buy a newer boat that has no issues and will be priced closer to NADA or go back and re-evaluate your standards if you are only willing to pay peanuts.



Just my opinion.


Rob
 
I agree, NADA is a bunch of garbage. That is one of the best looking Checkmates made to date. They have a HUGE following and will fetch a high price in good condition.
 
Suntime,

We're all very proud of our beautiful old boat so you may have inadvertently touched a nerve. None of us have seen 20 yr old checkmates that are "9's" go for anywhere near NADA. There just weren't that many made. So a different type of boat may suit your needs better.

To be honest, this isn't the site to find a steal on a checkmate - if economic times dictate that I have to give my boat away, I'll be "giving" it to someone I know.

Based on your requirements, you don't need a fairly light weight, high quality boat that many (of us at least) consider classics.

If you're after something under NADA to use as a family tow boat, there will be tons of boats for sale in the midwest in the fall - detroit / columbus / chicago craigslists are a good place to start. There will be deals to be had - a 6 or 4 cyl I/O on a 18' BR will put alot of smiles on the grandkids faces, and I know you'll find some of those under NADA.

Good luck,
Anthony

SunTime said:
To clarify a bit more to what I'm looking for.

1.Stock, rseliable power 150-200HP
2.Transom jack or other mods are really of no interest to me since this boat will be used mainly by my kids and grandkids for towing more then anything.
3.Top speed is not a issue.
4.Anything priced over Nada/buc value for hull, power and trailer are of no interest to me either, UNLESS it is a 9-10 on a scale of 1-10 in condition and care, then and only then I'd perhaps consider one priced over book as I'm VERY particular on how my boats look, and how they are maintained.
5.Hull and trailer with NO power I'd also consider as I have access to power.
6.Prefer something in the midwest, freshwater use but would be willing to travel if aggresssivly priced.
7.Light colored hull and deck. But may consider dark colors if again, they are very agressivly priced.
8.I would like to purchase this late summer or fall but have no timetable.
9.Detailed pics of transom issues, or any noticeable gel crazing/fiberglass issues anywhere on hull are a requirement.

Thanks again!
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cooperider said:
A nice perfect Starflite for NADA value. Your not asking much. I don't think your going to be happy with anything you find.
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Never said I was looking for a "perfect" Starflight for nada value, I may have mis-printed what I meant to say, but I did say I'd be willing to pay over book for a Starflight/liner that is in excellent condition, or what I'd consider a 9-10 for it's given age. Excellent conditon to me is one that you can tell has been pampered, garaged kept, very limited if any fading, has no stress cracks from 6-8" setback jacks on transoms, nor soft transom/floor, etc etc. A pampered boat.
I won't put anything on the water that is not in very close to new looking condition regardless of age. If that means me paying over book to get that, or me reconditioning it to my standards, it's just how particular I am in what I own. If you could see just the bilge of my boat you'd understand what I meant to say.

Agreed^^^

I think NADA on a late 80's Starflite hull is like $750 or something ridiculous like that.


Sounds like you need to buy a newer boat that has no issues and will be priced closer to NADA or go back and re-evaluate your standards if you are only willing to pay peanuts.
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$750.00 is not even close to nada value much less buc value on a Starflite hull, so I'm not sure where you came up with that number.
Buc value on a 1990 for example, and percentages to be added, or subtracted from their values. Am I that far out of line, that you say I'm only willing to pay peanuts?

CHECKMATE BOATS INC, BUCYRUS, OH,
Model Year 1990 Hull Material Model STARLINER Hull Configuration Length Overall 21' 2" Draft Length On Deck Beam Boat Type Runabout | Open Weight Engine Type OB Ballast



Retail Price Range:* $3,050-$3,550 not including outboard engine


Often Called Description Percent to be added or subtracted "Excellent (Bristol) Maintained in mint or bristol fashion-usually better than factory new-and loaded with extras-a rarity. Plus 15-20% Above BUC condition Has had above average care and equipped with extra electrical and electronic gear. Plus 10-15% BUC Condition Ready for sale requiring no additional work and normally equipped for its size. No Adjustment Necessary. Fair Requires usual maintenance to prepare for sale Minus 10-20%Poor Substantial yard work required and devoid of extras Minus 25-50%Restorable Enough of hull and engine exists to restore the boat to useable condition. Minus 50-80%"

With all due respect all, I know your proud of your boats as I am of mine. If you think buc or nada pricing sucks on yours, you should look at offshore pricing in this economy. I'd be in much worse shape the anyone here should I'd happen to need to sell. I'm not trying to steal anyones boat here, I simply asked for P.M.s if someone wanted a cash buyer for their staflite/liner and were willing to sell it at buc or nada value. I want a Checkmate because I've been around boats a long time, I know Checkmates well, I know the boats hull, I know their quality gel/fiberglass work, and I know I, nor the kids won't see 30 others just like it in 30 minutes on the lake if we took it out. IMO a Checkmate, much like my offshore choice deserves to be seen in top notch shape, I'll pay for top notch pampered shape, or I'll put the money into it to make it top notch pampered shape. That's how I roll, BUT I roll with $$$$ sense in mind when I do it, which I'm sure you all would do as well. (I think:D)
I have the upmost respect for the Checkmate line and their owners, so if you think this thread should go then by all means I'm all for suggesting it be deleted by the moderators as it wasn't a thread started to upset owners as it appears to have done. My apology.
 
Big Red said:
Please give me a opinion on this boat so everybody knows where you stand.
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Big Red I'd say given the newer trailer, newer paint, newer interior it's priced right in the ballpark based on the fact it's been reconditioned apparently. Unless - there was a compression issue with the engine, or it had transom stress cracks on transom from someone adding to much of a setback on it, or stress cracks elsewhere. IMO the stereo adds no value to it nor other electronic gizmos it may have. Once I add amps and things to my boats I figure it's money I'll never see again nor expect to see again.
 
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I don't think you upset anyone. What I was referring to was NADA value as I've never had access to BUC, or heard anything about how reliable it is. The NADA value for the same hull is just over $1900. If you look back to a 1985 Starflite/liner, the price drops to $1300. I don't trust the NADA prices, but from what you posted BUC seems to be based on something closer to reality. Probably still a little low, but much closer.
 
What is BUC value? As someone who has been in the market looking for a Mid-late 90's pulsare or late 80's early 90's starflite I have myself struggled with what I see people asking vs. what the NADA guide has the boat listed at. The BUC value seems to line up better with what people are asking.

PS the boat Big Red suggested is sold. I tried buying this one about 4 weeks ago and was 1 day late at being able to show up even with a full price offer.

Maybe this one: http://minneapolis.en.craigslist.org/csw/boa/1328629972.html
 
PulsareDreams said:
What is BUC value? As someone who has been in the market looking for a Mid-late 90's pulsare or late 80's early 90's starflite I have myself struggled with what I see people asking vs. what the NADA guide has the boat listed at. The BUC value seems to line up better with what people are asking.

PS the boat Big Red suggested is sold. I tried buying this one about 4 weeks ago and was 1 day late at being able to show up even with a full price offer.
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Buc is just another book for the banks to go off... Not sure how many use it vs KBB or Nada but it's something to ask my banker I guess should I ever need to.

There was a better deal about 35 miles away from the craigslist boat you list that was in between buc and nada book range and had my wife not been in the hospital it'd likely been sitting in my driveway as we had a agreed upon price pending visual inspection by me. It sold Monday and this morning was the first chance I'd of had to get up to see it. I'm glad he got rid of it as I know he had a crap load of people calling on it that either did not have the funds, or were just tire kickers not serious about it. From my exchanges with him about it and he was definetly sick of the MANY tire kickers from craigslist.
The decent buys are out there, just keep watch off the various sites. A couple more that could be worth checking out if your still looking both open bow and others:

Maybe this one: http://minneapolis.en.craigslist.org/csw/boa/1328629972.html[/quote]

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/boa/1291646757.html
I called on this one but it's a 18' and if I buy a CB it'd definetly have to be at least a 21'. The guy has taken great care of it.
Not sure how motivated he is on price but he's had it listed for quite awhile now at that price.

I did come across a very neglected 1996 185 Pulse right in my back yard that I was able to visually inspect though off of e-bay that I bought. Less power, and it'll be a great tow boat once I get it in shape to my standards. I'll do a complete deck off restoration on it this fall/winter but the hull is solid and in good shape other then a few dock rashes along with a stupid ski tow pole idea. It was just to good to pass on for the money.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...80384105454&ssPageName=ADME:B:ONA:MOTORS:1123
BTW, I'll be looking for some 150HP power - 175HP with controls if anyone has something.

I'm staying in the market for a 21' also as I want the additonal length for my waters so the Pulse will likely go to a new home once it's in shape. So still shopping! :D
 
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